Comments on: Declaring War on Human Death http://www.futuristspeaker.com/2009/06/declaring-war-on-human-death/ Challenging your thinking, pushing your imagination, creating the future Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:35:02 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: scott howell http://www.futuristspeaker.com/2009/06/declaring-war-on-human-death/comment-page-1/#comment-2993 scott howell Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:50:34 +0000 http://www.futuristspeaker.com/?p=523#comment-2993 If we were to eliminate death, it could only be sustained by the elimination of birth. If we were to eliminate death, it could only be sustained by the elimination of birth.

]]> By: Jeff Prystupa http://www.futuristspeaker.com/2009/06/declaring-war-on-human-death/comment-page-1/#comment-2989 Jeff Prystupa Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:37:55 +0000 http://www.futuristspeaker.com/?p=523#comment-2989 Man has uprooted himself from his host planet and is suffering the loss of power and vitality. Issues of health, incomplete health, impaired health, loss of health, and death, need to be re-framed in a more modern, less superstitious-based order and protocol. What definition of death will be employed? This will require socio-medical ethical debate which is unlikely to escape the taint of religious input. Is death the point at which organ donation becomes acceptable? If death is signaled by the end or cessation of two standard indicators of life; a heartbeat and brain waves, does life begin with the onset of the same? Both are present 28 days post fertilization. Does this definition of death impact the definition of life as applied to abortion? Will the oak tree live forever? Is the average life of the average human so tremendously fruitful and productive that we feel compelled to wring a few more years out of it? What is the motivation to live forever? Is there a market for it? "Push me near the window today, nurse. It looks like a nice day outside." Far more pressing than eternal life, are the present questions about exterminating life. Our planet simply can not tolerate continued pollution from burning coal and petroleum. Pan evaporation rates, not temperature, are the most reliable indicator for climate change. The major causes of death and disease are man-made and self-inflicted. The damage being done to the Earth is mirrored in the health of its inhabitants. The whales are starving in the Pacific. Medicine misleads by mistaking infection for toxicity. Man is being presented with the opportunity of a lifetime. Simply avoiding death does not mean one is living. To the extent that man remains uprooted from his host planet, he is sick. To the degree that he repairs and strengthens his roots, he will experience growth and fruitfulness. The corrections needed for climate change response and all others, must take place within us all as individuals first then we can tend to the planet. If we sit back and let the government attempt to solve yet another problem they created, we will continue to observe the migratory flight of individual freedoms. Those who would trade security for freedom will enjoy neither. (B. Rush) Death does not exist until life begins. We need not wait and ask for whom the bell tolls, but rather dance until the music stops. Man has uprooted himself from his host planet and is suffering the loss of power and vitality. Issues of health, incomplete health, impaired health, loss of health, and death, need to be re-framed in a more modern, less superstitious-based order and protocol.
What definition of death will be employed? This will require socio-medical ethical debate which is unlikely to escape the taint of religious input.
Is death the point at which organ donation becomes acceptable?
If death is signaled by the end or cessation of two standard indicators of life; a heartbeat and brain waves, does life begin with the onset of the same?
Both are present 28 days post fertilization. Does this definition of death impact the definition of life as applied to abortion?
Will the oak tree live forever? Is the average life of the average human so tremendously fruitful and productive that we feel compelled to wring a few more years out of it? What is the motivation to live forever? Is there a market for it?
“Push me near the window today, nurse. It looks like a nice day outside.”
Far more pressing than eternal life, are the present questions about exterminating life. Our planet simply can not tolerate continued pollution from burning coal and petroleum. Pan evaporation rates, not temperature, are the most reliable indicator for climate change.
The major causes of death and disease are man-made and self-inflicted. The damage being done to the Earth is mirrored in the health of its inhabitants. The whales are starving in the Pacific.
Medicine misleads by mistaking infection for toxicity.
Man is being presented with the opportunity of a lifetime.
Simply avoiding death does not mean one is living.
To the extent that man remains uprooted from his host planet, he is sick. To the degree that he repairs and strengthens his roots, he will experience growth and fruitfulness. The corrections needed for climate change response and all others, must take place within us all as individuals first then we can tend to the planet. If we sit back and let the government attempt to solve yet another problem they created, we will continue to observe the migratory flight of individual freedoms. Those who would trade security for freedom will enjoy neither. (B. Rush)
Death does not exist until life begins. We need not wait and ask for whom the bell tolls, but rather dance until the music stops.

]]> By: Jeff Samson http://www.futuristspeaker.com/2009/06/declaring-war-on-human-death/comment-page-1/#comment-2982 Jeff Samson Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:20:30 +0000 http://www.futuristspeaker.com/?p=523#comment-2982 NO Death! Tom, Now, that's an answer for space travel and getting to the far reaches! This is an interesting topic and your thoughts are one set of a number of options for future life. Not that this topic can also go to the concept of an eternal soul and brings notions of reincarnation though that’s not necessarily important to the discussion at this point. This discussion on "no death" should include the definition of what constitutes death. For example, one concept involves just the mind being kept alive and growing external to the body. This mind may be taught to control a fresher body/machine and so the original body may be considered dead or at least temporary. However the mind’s thought system would be considered alive if it can continue to have experiences, make decisions and affect action beyond the limitations of the current body. Writing computer code for controlling systems and memory storage capabilities suggest that saving and empowering such a life essence may be easier to accomplish then complete body brain renovation. Therefore, body reconstruction may be a temporary relief from body limitations but an awkward process for sustainability. Where as sustaining the mental controls and values might be more efficacious. This option and other definitions for what constitutes “no death” will likely impact your list above and may even provide significant benefits in addressing the items on that list. I would enjoy discussing life form extension/transcendence further in the interest of deriving reasonable goals for the near future. Jeff Samson NO Death!

Tom,

Now, that’s an answer for space travel and getting to the far reaches! This is an interesting topic and your thoughts are one set of a number of options for future life. Not that this topic can also go to the concept of an eternal soul and brings notions of reincarnation though that’s not necessarily important to the discussion at this point.

This discussion on “no death” should include the definition of what constitutes death. For example, one concept involves just the mind being kept alive and growing external to the body. This mind may be taught to control a fresher body/machine and so the original body may be considered dead or at least temporary. However the mind’s thought system would be considered alive if it can continue to have experiences, make decisions and affect action beyond the limitations of the current body.

Writing computer code for controlling systems and memory storage capabilities suggest that saving and empowering such a life essence may be easier to accomplish then complete body brain renovation. Therefore, body reconstruction may be a temporary relief from body limitations but an awkward process for sustainability. Where as sustaining the mental controls and values might be more efficacious.

This option and other definitions for what constitutes “no death” will likely impact your list above and may even provide significant benefits in addressing the items on that list. I would enjoy discussing life form extension/transcendence further in the interest of deriving reasonable goals for the near future.

Jeff Samson

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