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		<title>By: Hastalık</title>
		<link>http://www.futuristspeaker.com/2010/02/the-day-that-google-died/comment-page-1/#comment-11807</link>
		<dc:creator>Hastalık</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 11:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google has done more than a few things to cause hate and discontent among their user base. And they certainly provide stiff competition to everyone they&#039;re competing with. So yes, there may be someone disgruntled enough to go to war with them.

Until last week&#039;s events at Amazon, I would have never believes a big company would leave themselves that vulnerable, so maybe your scenario is possible.

Does this mean the big tech companies will suddenly have to be nicer to their customers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google has done more than a few things to cause hate and discontent among their user base. And they certainly provide stiff competition to everyone they&#8217;re competing with. So yes, there may be someone disgruntled enough to go to war with them.</p>
<p>Until last week&#8217;s events at Amazon, I would have never believes a big company would leave themselves that vulnerable, so maybe your scenario is possible.</p>
<p>Does this mean the big tech companies will suddenly have to be nicer to their customers?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that get&#039;s Google off the hook, but it doesn&#039;t answer many of the long term questions about the data. There is huge value in this data, and that value will either go up or go down over time. But it will never reach zero.

It doesn&#039;t make sense that one company should have the power to erase a 20-year swath of humanity simply by hitting the delete key. The people of the world created the information, and should have some say in the long-term preservation of it. It quickly loses its value if its stored on sticks and floppies in people&#039;s closets. There is great value in the aggregation of the data.

Our systems are flawed and this hasn&#039;t been thought through very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that get&#8217;s Google off the hook, but it doesn&#8217;t answer many of the long term questions about the data. There is huge value in this data, and that value will either go up or go down over time. But it will never reach zero.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t make sense that one company should have the power to erase a 20-year swath of humanity simply by hitting the delete key. The people of the world created the information, and should have some say in the long-term preservation of it. It quickly loses its value if its stored on sticks and floppies in people&#8217;s closets. There is great value in the aggregation of the data.</p>
<p>Our systems are flawed and this hasn&#8217;t been thought through very well.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 06:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google addressed this hazard by creating the Data Liberation Front, whose job it is to ensure that people can always download their data from Google and store it locally or take it elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google addressed this hazard by creating the Data Liberation Front, whose job it is to ensure that people can always download their data from Google and store it locally or take it elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: lalalalaladididida</title>
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		<dc:creator>lalalalaladididida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, I think you bring up a few interesting points.  Big tech internet companies will die, our data is at risk, and we are creating an archaeological record that is light years beyond what was happening 50 years ago, and practically in another universe compared to pre-historical (no written language) digs.

Personally, I think that only the latter is of much interest.  The first two are only different from past information security and safety in terms of mode.  A certain number of copies of each thing are kept, and people clean house.  This is fairly standard in business and personal life.  Companies store old data they aren&#039;t using with delete/destroy dates based on current legal requirements.  Individuals eventually go through their deceased loved ones belongings and trash the trash.  Web companies are also known to delete unused accounts (despite facebook&#039;s belief that they are the mecca of the internet).  We have always lost information to fire, espionage, and misplacement.  As for the last issue, I completely agree.  A whole planet of anthropologists could make a lifetime out of digging out our old data, reverse-engineering the technology, and throwing panoramas up in their museums depicting us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I think you bring up a few interesting points.  Big tech internet companies will die, our data is at risk, and we are creating an archaeological record that is light years beyond what was happening 50 years ago, and practically in another universe compared to pre-historical (no written language) digs.</p>
<p>Personally, I think that only the latter is of much interest.  The first two are only different from past information security and safety in terms of mode.  A certain number of copies of each thing are kept, and people clean house.  This is fairly standard in business and personal life.  Companies store old data they aren&#8217;t using with delete/destroy dates based on current legal requirements.  Individuals eventually go through their deceased loved ones belongings and trash the trash.  Web companies are also known to delete unused accounts (despite facebook&#8217;s belief that they are the mecca of the internet).  We have always lost information to fire, espionage, and misplacement.  As for the last issue, I completely agree.  A whole planet of anthropologists could make a lifetime out of digging out our old data, reverse-engineering the technology, and throwing panoramas up in their museums depicting us.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking time to elaborate on the weaknesses of this scenario.

But, if you&#039;re simply focused on the feasibility of Google failing, you&#039;re missing the point. The name &quot;Google&quot; can easily be replaced with names like MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, or LinkedIn. Even changing the name, you&#039;re still overlooking the problems associated with the gaping holes we have in our global data systems.

I can see that you&#039;re very focused on the failure points of the scenario. Granted, the scenario has its shortcomings and probably should have been framed better. However, failures happen to companies in thousands of different ways. As an example, a failure could result from a series of well-orchestrated EMP blasts, internal economic failures, some highly contagious disease inside the company, an internal mutiny among Google employees, or even a combination of things going wrong, just to name a few. 

However improbable they may seem, the likelihood of them happening is still greater than zero.

A few months before their failure, people would have also thought it absurd for the likes of Lehman Brothers, Washington Mutual, WorldCom, GM, Enron, and Chrysler to collapse.

The life expectancy of a corporation is measured at best in decades, not centuries. In the end, all companies will fail. Some sooner than others.

The bigger question remains, though, about what happens to the data that these private companies have in their archives. Does it just go away? Does the legacy that our generation has been entrusting to Google-like companies and their servers simply disappear?

If you pay close attention to the problems, you will also begin to see the opportunities.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking time to elaborate on the weaknesses of this scenario.</p>
<p>But, if you&#8217;re simply focused on the feasibility of Google failing, you&#8217;re missing the point. The name &#8220;Google&#8221; can easily be replaced with names like MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, or LinkedIn. Even changing the name, you&#8217;re still overlooking the problems associated with the gaping holes we have in our global data systems.</p>
<p>I can see that you&#8217;re very focused on the failure points of the scenario. Granted, the scenario has its shortcomings and probably should have been framed better. However, failures happen to companies in thousands of different ways. As an example, a failure could result from a series of well-orchestrated EMP blasts, internal economic failures, some highly contagious disease inside the company, an internal mutiny among Google employees, or even a combination of things going wrong, just to name a few. </p>
<p>However improbable they may seem, the likelihood of them happening is still greater than zero.</p>
<p>A few months before their failure, people would have also thought it absurd for the likes of Lehman Brothers, Washington Mutual, WorldCom, GM, Enron, and Chrysler to collapse.</p>
<p>The life expectancy of a corporation is measured at best in decades, not centuries. In the end, all companies will fail. Some sooner than others.</p>
<p>The bigger question remains, though, about what happens to the data that these private companies have in their archives. Does it just go away? Does the legacy that our generation has been entrusting to Google-like companies and their servers simply disappear?</p>
<p>If you pay close attention to the problems, you will also begin to see the opportunities.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Critch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Critch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, the attacks against Google were leveraged through known exploits of the Windows Operating system. Google has since removed Windows from the workplace and replaced it with OS X and Linux.

Secondly, that attack was at internal operations data, and did not get at &quot;search&quot; related data, those machines are NOT located in Mountain view or any other physical facility at any Google campus. Google&#039;s search servers are scattered around the world in self-contained units --- literally shipping containers --- at various data centers.

So any attack, well orchestrated or otherwise would not succeed in bringing down Google&#039;s core services unless the attack also brought the ENTIRE INTERNET down with it.

Even a DNS level attack as exposed a couple years back in which entire domains could be hijacked would not be enough to kill it.

And while a physical assault on Google with assassins and/or missiles might seriously harm them, they could still move on and continue since they are owned by shareholders and new staff and facilities could be obtained. In fact, a sudden vacuum in personell could be swiftly filled by eager technical grads from MIT and CalTech and Stanford as well as ex=pats from Microsoft Oracle and other high tech firms.

There is quite frankly no way to kill Google from any other means outside of market competitions. Give it 10 or 20 years, after the founders are less-interested or gone and their current brain-trust is retired and their culture has changed to more of a back-biting, self-congratulating bureaucracy. Then we might see them start to wither and fade in the face of innovation from new competition.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, the attacks against Google were leveraged through known exploits of the Windows Operating system. Google has since removed Windows from the workplace and replaced it with OS X and Linux.</p>
<p>Secondly, that attack was at internal operations data, and did not get at &#8220;search&#8221; related data, those machines are NOT located in Mountain view or any other physical facility at any Google campus. Google&#8217;s search servers are scattered around the world in self-contained units &#8212; literally shipping containers &#8212; at various data centers.</p>
<p>So any attack, well orchestrated or otherwise would not succeed in bringing down Google&#8217;s core services unless the attack also brought the ENTIRE INTERNET down with it.</p>
<p>Even a DNS level attack as exposed a couple years back in which entire domains could be hijacked would not be enough to kill it.</p>
<p>And while a physical assault on Google with assassins and/or missiles might seriously harm them, they could still move on and continue since they are owned by shareholders and new staff and facilities could be obtained. In fact, a sudden vacuum in personell could be swiftly filled by eager technical grads from MIT and CalTech and Stanford as well as ex=pats from Microsoft Oracle and other high tech firms.</p>
<p>There is quite frankly no way to kill Google from any other means outside of market competitions. Give it 10 or 20 years, after the founders are less-interested or gone and their current brain-trust is retired and their culture has changed to more of a back-biting, self-congratulating bureaucracy. Then we might see them start to wither and fade in the face of innovation from new competition.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bakare Ayodele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bakare Ayodele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tears is not enough tears in our eyes to tell how painful we miss you Google. But no matter how well we do in this world; One day we have to go and say bye bye to our friends and foes.
   
Good dye Google!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bakare Ayodele
Lagos, Nigeria</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tears is not enough tears in our eyes to tell how painful we miss you Google. But no matter how well we do in this world; One day we have to go and say bye bye to our friends and foes.</p>
<p>Good dye Google!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Bakare Ayodele<br />
Lagos, Nigeria</p>
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		<title>By: Joaquin Kaer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joaquin Kaer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. You bring up some fascinating topics that no one seems to be considering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. You bring up some fascinating topics that no one seems to be considering.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Prystupa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Prystupa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I re-read my comment, let me provide some balance. Google will die. So will we. What will we leave as seed for future generations? The reigning paradigm in health and environment is &#039;broken&#039; man on &#039;broken&#039; Earth. Neither is true. By advocating an &#039;all-of-us&#039; mindset and re-directing our efforts, at least say half, of what we spend on our military means of destruction, that could be used to irrigate, cleanse, plant, educate, and harvest. 
In an equally-pressing front: What is the future outcome of Islam&#039;s war on the infidels - you and me? How will that problem be solved? How long will we ignore the camel&#039;s nose in our tent? This is the most threatening of all global problems and it seems that we even fear to mention it. ooops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I re-read my comment, let me provide some balance. Google will die. So will we. What will we leave as seed for future generations? The reigning paradigm in health and environment is &#8216;broken&#8217; man on &#8216;broken&#8217; Earth. Neither is true. By advocating an &#8216;all-of-us&#8217; mindset and re-directing our efforts, at least say half, of what we spend on our military means of destruction, that could be used to irrigate, cleanse, plant, educate, and harvest.<br />
In an equally-pressing front: What is the future outcome of Islam&#8217;s war on the infidels &#8211; you and me? How will that problem be solved? How long will we ignore the camel&#8217;s nose in our tent? This is the most threatening of all global problems and it seems that we even fear to mention it. ooops.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Hutchins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Hutchins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, I continue to be amazed at your futurist capabilities and insights. You bring up multiple issues...some of the most important relate to security and control. How to accomplish this in an environment where the foxes are guarding the chicken coop? And when government sponsored entities are trying to hack it? It&#039;s an argument for keeping as much of our private data out of the cloud as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I continue to be amazed at your futurist capabilities and insights. You bring up multiple issues&#8230;some of the most important relate to security and control. How to accomplish this in an environment where the foxes are guarding the chicken coop? And when government sponsored entities are trying to hack it? It&#8217;s an argument for keeping as much of our private data out of the cloud as possible.</p>
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